tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post8505339565022938324..comments2024-03-27T18:06:06.369-07:00Comments on Mary's Blog: Padre Pio on Salvation Outside the Church Part TwoMary O'Reganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06111088825250138537noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-42098321282794072002011-05-07T12:33:25.755-07:002011-05-07T12:33:25.755-07:00The comments are excellent. and yes Padre Pio seem...The comments are excellent. and yes Padre Pio seems to anticipate some of the pastoral teachings of Vatican II, although these teachings have mushroomed into a presumption by many that it is no longer necessary to convert to the Catholic Church. I agree with the comment that he probably was the recipient of divine inspiration in his decision to pray for the King. <br /> After this article was published, I received some criticism for its title, since it appears to contradict the teaching that there is no salvation outside the Church. Therefore I wrote an introductory note to my web version of the article: <br />Note: The examples given below refer to people not in visible communion with the Catholic Church that Padre Pio considered saved. Question 29 from the Catechism of St. Pius X: "But if a man, through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? Answer: If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation."<br /> For a further explanation, please see "Role of Baptism in Salvation" http://www.frankrega.com/salvationissues.htm<br />Thank you.<br />Frank RegaFrank Regahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16899023221249548349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-903630191338642812011-05-07T06:12:56.265-07:002011-05-07T06:12:56.265-07:00I think a big point is being missed here. Accordin...I think a big point is being missed here. According to my reading about him Pio used to place the responsibility and inspiration for many of his actions/phenomenon on divine agents. It seems pretty clear to me that in this case Pio hadn't just thought 'I think we should pray for the King' etc.ect. but had probably been the recipient of some divine inspiration. I think that is a pretty clear indication that this did not end up in damnation, but it doesn't rule out purgatory ...Tim Vickersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-59600082073424022902011-05-06T17:13:35.945-07:002011-05-06T17:13:35.945-07:00I'm not sure how the fact that St. Pio praying...I'm not sure how the fact that St. Pio praying for the soul of a non-Catholic, can mean that the soul was/was not doomed. There is no evidence as to whether Padre Pio rejoiced afterwards but that he was just silent.<br /><br />While we are not sedevacantists, who believe everyone without water baptism, goes to Hell: this story only seems to illustrate one thing: we must pray for the souls of anybody, friend or foe, who dies.Hestornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-15060123934480313002011-05-04T09:43:31.050-07:002011-05-04T09:43:31.050-07:00thank you for this article i really did enjoy it.thank you for this article i really did enjoy it.Smileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04458504641419416339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-48158011175133435952010-11-09T05:52:20.818-08:002010-11-09T05:52:20.818-08:00Thank you Mark for dilligently compiling these quo...Thank you Mark for dilligently compiling these quotes from key Vatican 2 documents. Dilligence is a great grace of yours.Mary O'Reganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06111088825250138537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8857216796720971555.post-2873430604174971942010-11-09T05:45:18.037-08:002010-11-09T05:45:18.037-08:00The teaching of Padre Pio seems to me to anticipat...The teaching of Padre Pio seems to me to anticipate/reflect that of such Vatican 2 documents as Lumen Gentium and Unitatis Redintegratio:<br /><br />"it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church. <br /><br />"Moreover, some and even very many of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church....<br /><br />"The brethren divided from us also use many liturgical actions of the Christian religion. These most certainly can truly engender a life of grace in ways that vary according to the condition of each Church or Community. <br /><br />"These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation. <br /><br />"It follows that the separated Churches and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. <br /><br />"For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as instruments of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church. <br /><br />"Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those to whom He has given new birth into one body.... <br /><br />"For it is through Christ's Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help towards salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained."Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285355080459130149noreply@blogger.com